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But he was, of course, not the only

traitor propagandist employed by the Nazis during the Second World War. At least, I didn't know

as this many, at least half a dozen people, if not more, delivered broadcasts to British,

Commonwealth and American listeners all with the same purpose of demoralisation. Because war is, you know, war is hard

enough as it is. So you don't want misinformation piped into your radios. And in the 40s, the radio

was so important. Yes. Yeah, yeah, of course. So following the Allied invasion of Italy, there was

to be an additional voice, that of Rita Zuka, Zucker, Jane Anderson and Mildred Gillars came to be known as the Axis Sallies. So all of them were born in the US. Zucca came from New York and was born into an Italian American family in 1912. Her father ran a successful restaurant in West 49th Street. And so she was sent to Florence

from an Italian education before coming back to work for her father. So this transatlantic back and

forth held until 1939 when war broke out and she remained in Italy. She took Italian citizenship

in 1941, apparently to protect her family's property from the government.

So Mildred Gillars, Gillars was the name of her stepfather, so Cisque was her sort of original name.

By contrast, came from Portland in Maine, and she was born in November 1900.

She grew up in Ohio, and they moved to New York with a view to becoming an actor and a vaudeville performer.

But she failed to make it, and so left America and went to live in France. I love those people who think, oh, fuck this. And they're going to have a complete change. Yeah, yeah. You're like, all right, all right, I'll go and live in France then, if I'm not going to make it in bloody Hollywood. And I'll get there on a boat and it will take me four weeks. And I won't speak the language and it's the pre-duolingo age.

Fine.

All right.

I'll go.

So her own transatlantic back and forth ended up with her moving to Germany, 34,

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