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The Grenfell Tower Inquiry Podcast

147 Kingspan and the BBA

The Grenfell Tower Inquiry Podcast

BBC

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4.8627 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2021

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

‘Would it be fair… to say that you were set up by others …as Kingspan’s useful idiot’? Kingspan Insulation’s Managing Director Richard Burnley gave evidence this week. Questioned about Kingspan’s conduct after the fire at Grenfell Tower when it held a private meeting to lobby MPs, Richard Burnley denied the company accessed political power for its own commercial gain. The British Board of Agrement also gave evidence. The BBA’s Senior Technical Manager John Albon, denied that the BBA was ‘toothless and weak’, but admitted it had supported inaccurate claims from manufacturers.

Presenter / Producer: Kate Lamble Producer: Sharon Hemans Researcher: May Cameron Studio Mix: Gareth Jones

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Grenfell Tower Inquiry podcast with me, Kate Lamble.

0:09.5

This was the last week of evidence for this module, which has been looking at the way materials used in the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower were tested and marketed.

0:18.0

Next week, we'll hear the opening statements for a whole new topic. But in the

0:22.3

meantime, the inquiry was trying to wrap up loose ends from several witnesses. That means listening

0:27.8

to the evidence has been slightly frustrating as it jumped around from topic to topic, but it doesn't

0:33.4

mean there weren't things for us to learn. Staff from an independent certification body

0:38.1

admitted the organisation supported inaccurate claims from manufacturers, and an insulation company

0:43.6

held a private meeting to lobby MPs after the fire. Let's start then with the British

0:49.6

Board of Agremont or BBA, the organisation we've been talking about for the last few weeks.

0:55.0

The independent certification body advertise itself like this.

0:58.9

BBA certification is recognised throughout the construction industry as a symbol of quality

1:03.3

and reassurance. It is the vital ingredients in the provision of assurance, quality and integrity

1:09.0

to a plethora of stakeholders in the construction

1:11.9

industry. For a fee, the BBA would examine the data around a product and produce a certificate

1:17.5

which let designers and contractors know which standards it achieved in everything from fire safety

1:23.1

to durability. John Albin is the last witness from the BBA to give evidence. He held a number

1:28.8

of senior positions in the organisation and was involved in the production of certificates for both

1:33.5

the cladding manufacturer Arconic and the insulation manufacturer, Kingsburn. Arconic's Rayner Bond

1:39.8

55 cladding panels, filled with combustible polyethylene, have already been found by the inquiry

1:45.6

to be the main cause of the spread of the fire, so we'll look at that certificate first.

1:51.2

While the BBA's first certificate for Arconics Cladding Panels was being written, John

1:55.6

Album was the section head of the BBA's Materials Department.

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