Welcome to Among the Lillies, a podcast for ladies who are tired of pretending and are ready to be real. I am not

your host, Cameron Frad, which begs the question, who am I listening to? My name's

Lisa. I'm a good friend of Cameron's and I've known her for many years. I have recently stepped in to help with some of the creative aspects of Cameron's podcast.

One of the things I've been asked to do is to produce this podcast.

So you'll be hearing a lot more from me.

Another question you're probably thinking is,

Is this woman a professional?

And the answer to that question is, no not I am not a professional I have never recorded a podcast intro before and I am currently

squatting on the floor of my husband's office while my five children amuse themselves downstairs.

But we figured this fits with the among the lilies feel of raw and real and unedited, So I hope I do it justice. I just want to take a minute to say

Thank you to all of you who are listening sharing interacting with us on

Instagram and Facebook. we so appreciate you.

And for those of you who are supporting Among the Lilies financially,

we couldn't do this podcast without you.

If you aren't currently supporting Among the Lilies and you are interested,

please check out our Patreon page. There's a lot of really amazing perks that come along with being a patron.

You get Among the Lilies Swag, you can listen to the sex series, which is very popular,

and you can even be a part of a Marco Polo group with Cameron herself.

And I think that's all I have for my intro today.

Without further ado, let's get to today's episode.

Cameron is interviewing a dear friend Rachel who lives in Ottawa, Canada.

She speaks with Cameron about her own struggles with codependency and how we can not

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