Welcome back to Hashtag Sisters-in-law, with Jill Winebanks, Joyce Vance, and me,

Barb McQuade.

Kim will be back next week, so we'll see you soon.

Today we'll be discussing Rudy Giuliani's legal woes, the latest updates in the Trump

criminal cases, and what's in our rainment anyway.

As always, we look forward to answering your questions at the end of the show.

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Well before we dig in, Sisters, I heard an amazing story recently that was such great career

advice, and I'll share it, but I wanted to ask each of you first, if you've received

any good career advice and what it was that we can share with our listeners, Joyce, how

about you?

Advice, it is about life or careers that you can share with our listeners.

So not that I'm ever smart enough to take advantage of good advice, but actually I do

have something that I was told by an extremely wise person that really I think has helped

me throughout my career.

They told me that if you can't imagine yourself doing something, if you can't see yourself

doing it, then you'll never get there, right?

But I mean, if you can't imagine yourself being the astronaut who lands on the moon,

then that job opportunity is not open to you.

And so I've done that at different points in time.

I did that one time when I was asked to consider a job being the United States attorney in

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