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#146 – Michael Mina: Rapid Testing, Viruses, and the Engineering Mindset

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Lex Fridman

Philosophy, Science, Society & Culture, Technology

4.713.6K Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2020

⏱️ 139 minutes

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Michael Mina is an immunologist, epidemiologist, and physician at Harvard. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
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(00:00) – Introduction
(07:28) – Interacting between viruses and bacteria
(11:42) – Deadlier viruses
(15:13) – Will COVID-19 mutate?
(16:47) – Rapid testing
(34:11) – PCR vs rapid antigen tests
(43:55) – Medical industrial complex
(47:47) – Lex takes COVID test
(54:32) – FDA and cheap tests
(57:17) – Explanation of Elon Musk’s positive COVID tests
(1:04:25) – Role of testing during vaccine deployment
(1:07:54) – Public health policy
(1:17:34) – A weather system for viruses
(1:34:26) – Can a virus kill all humans?
(1:40:05) – Engineering a deadly virus
(1:44:47) – AlphaFold 2 and viruses
(1:50:42) – Advice for young people
(1:58:50) – Time as a Buddhist monk
(2:04:54) – Meditation
(2:12:32) – Meaning of life

Transcript

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0:00.0

The following is a conversation with Michael Minna.

0:02.4

He's a professor at Harvard doing research on infectious disease and immunology.

0:08.1

The most defining characteristic of his approach to science and biology is that of a first

0:13.1

principles thinker and engineer focused not just on defining the problem, but finding the

0:18.8

solution.

0:20.2

In that spirit, we talk about cheap, rapid at home testing, which is a solution to COVID-19

0:26.2

that to me has become one of the most obvious, powerful, and doable solutions.

0:31.6

That frankly should have been done months ago and still should be done now.

0:35.8

As we talk about its accuracy, it's high for detecting actual contagiousness and hundreds

0:41.1

of millions can be manufactured quickly and relatively cheaply.

0:44.8

In general, I love engineering solutions like these, even if government bureaucracies

0:49.7

often don't.

0:51.4

With respect science and data, it respects our freedom, it respects our intelligence, and

0:56.9

basic common sense.

0:59.3

Quick mention of eSponsor, followed by some thoughts related to the episode.

1:03.0

Thank you to Brave, a fast browser that feels like Chrome, but has more privacy preserving

1:07.9

features, athletic greens, the only one drink that I start every day with to cover all

1:13.2

my nutritional bases, express VPN, the VPN I've used for many years to protect my privacy

1:19.3

and the internet and cash app, the app I used to send money to friends.

1:24.5

Please check out these sponsors in the description to get a discount and to support this podcast.

1:30.0

As a side note, let me say that I've always been solution oriented, not problem oriented.

1:35.8

It saddens me to see that public discourse disproportionately focuses on the mistakes

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