Gooday, Dominic Barfield here, and this is the RVC Clinical Podcast. Thank you for listening,

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you get your podcast and leave us a review. Obviously, a five-star review would be great. I suppose it's slightly disartant to read

it was 4.9 on Spotify. But anyway, I suppose we'll take that as close to five. I'd like to round

up. But really appreciate a couple of moments of your time to be able to do that. So today,

joining Brian and myself in our virtual studio, we're going to talk to Dr. Clive Elwood.

Dr. Clive Elwood recently wrote a book, which I came a couple of years ago about leadership

in veterinary medicine.

And Clive has worked in academia, has got a PhD and worked as a referral clinician as well.

And I'm sure he will explain more about his journey.

And currently he is working as Trellis Coaching or has his own sort of coaching company,

and you can find him on trelliscoaching.com.uk, if you want to find out who we're talking to.

I'm sure he's on LinkedIn as other things, and you find him lurking about the London Vet Show as well.

So thank you very much,

Clive, for joining. I know I crowbarred a conversation very quickly to you about joining. So

thank you very much. A pleasure. Thanks for the invitation. Always nice to chat and talk about

things I'm interested in. So yeah, great. Nice to be here. Thank you. Well, I thought I would, maybe I should start by saying I did

actually buy a book a couple of years ago and read that. And obviously I wasn't given it as a

gift whether it's not a promotional thing. But I thought you, you know, as far as leadership

are quite interested in that in general. And also also you've you sort of written the book

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