People's personal opinions on the concept of success, colors so much.

I was saying this to someone, I had an interview today with Billboard,

and the person was like, this thing I got out there, like, you do so many things, and I was like, well I got off there like you do so many things and I was like well I

really don't you know I think what you're reflecting on is that maybe you find it

awkward how hungry I am you know because when I was 22 and I was in Steel Train I was producing my

friends records and writing and touring in a van that I would attach the trailer

myself all around the country. No one was like you do so much they were just like

get it. You know, right?

That is the voice of the great Jack Antonov.

Jack, of course, was on the podcast years ago, but now he's back. He's in the studio. A lot has happened with Jack Andenoff. He is a very busy person. For starters, he got married to the great actress Margaret Qualley.

I was at the wedding last summer.

We talk about that on the show today.

That's a huge life shift.

He's made a whole bunch of albums with his band Bleachers, with Taylor Swift and

Lana Del Rey and Bruce Springsteen and St. Vincent and a list goes on and on and on.

He won the Grammy for producer of the year,

three years in a row.

I'm speechless.

I've known Jack for years, 20 years since before he was producer of the year and he's been in so many bands.

He was in a man called Steel Train, that's when I met him. He was in a band called Bleachers, who I love.

Their two recent albums are so fantastic. One of them is self-titled bleachers. The other one is a rendition of their first album called Stranger Desired.

And it is beautiful, it's like stripped down versions of the original songs. I just love it.

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