Good day, Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners is always thank you so very much for listening.

We really appreciate you sharing your time with us.

This week we're so pleased to have Lindsey Chervinsky back on and it was quite an interesting

conversation based around a column she wrote about presidents and technology and of course

that caught my eyes.

I said in the program because I remember many years ago when we were both just children

and you asked me if I would fill in for a show a couple weeks, three, three, four weeks.

And I went, oh my gosh, you know, I know a little bit about Jefferson.

I read Von Brody's book and I centered on thinking I was, you know, coming up with something

unique and clever.

I centered on asking President Jefferson about his love for what he called Gimcrax gadgets

technology.

And it was actually a pretty fun conversation that kind of stands up.

Oh, I think it did and it was a great start, you know, the Jefferson is a gadgetier.

One of his, I think it's an overseer said that he always had this little tiny group of

miniature tools and he was always tinkering with locks and so on that he was a tinkerer

and that he was one of those guys who wants to make an improvement on everything and what

if they did it this way, if we redesigned that just a little would that be a better writing

machine would that be a better copying machine would that be a better dumb waiter.

And so his eye was always open for innovation, especially in France where he saw dumb

waiters for the first time in Alcove beds and skylights.

And then he thought I could, you know, I could, I could probably not only incorporate

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