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🗓️ 3 May 2021
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The world has gone through a tough time with the COVID-19 pandemic. Every catastrophic event is unique, but there are certain commonalities to how such crises play out in our modern interconnected world. Historian Niall Ferguson wrote a book from a couple of years ago, The Square and the Tower, that considered how an interplay between networks and hierarchies has shaped the history of the world. This analysis is directly relevant to how we deal with large-scale catastrophes, which is the subject of his new book, Doom: The Politics of Catastrophe. We talk about global culture as a complex system, and what it means for our ability to respond to crisis.
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Niall Ferguson received his D.Phil. degree from the University of Oxford. He is currently the Milbank Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, a senior faculty fellow of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard, and a visiting professor at Tsinghua University, Beijing. He is the author of numerous book, several of which have been adapted into television documentaries, and has helped found several different companies. He won an international Emmy for his PBS series The Ascent of Money, and has previously been named one of the 100 most influential people in the world by Time magazine.
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0:00.0 | Hello everyone, welcome to the Mindscape Podcast. |
0:02.6 | I'm your host, Sean Carroll. |
0:04.3 | And all the podcasts we've talked in various different ways |
0:07.0 | about complexity, about complex systems. |
0:09.7 | And there are a few systems more complex |
0:12.4 | than all of humanity, all of humankind. |
0:15.4 | I'm not even sure how best to quantify |
0:17.8 | the total amount of complexity in a system |
0:19.9 | like is humanity as a system more complex |
0:22.9 | than an individual human brain? |
0:25.1 | It's not clear to me. |
0:25.9 | I know that there's lots of different brains in humanity |
0:28.3 | with a level of complexity need not be higher. |
0:30.6 | But anyway, we agree that humanity as a whole |
0:33.6 | is a complex system. |
0:34.7 | So you can think about it using the tools of complexity theory, |
0:38.1 | using the concepts like networks and interconnections |
0:41.6 | and tiny pieces interacting non-linearly, |
0:44.7 | but giving rise to emergent collective phenomena. |
0:48.1 | So today's guest is Neil Ferguson. |
0:50.3 | Neil is a very well-known historian, |
0:52.3 | both academically and in the public sphere. |
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