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The Afterburn Podcast

#145 Dr. Anthony Vinci | Former NGA Chief Technology Officer | Future of A.I. & Espionage

The Afterburn Podcast

John "Rain" Waters

Military, Lifestyle, Aviation, Leisure, Society & Culture

4.91K Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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0:00.0

Is China building super soldiers?

0:05.0

Well, I think probably yes.

0:08.0

I think they probably are.

0:10.0

Take a step back.

0:12.0

When I start to put together the pieces, and I see a global collection of DNA information,

0:20.0

and I see contracts that say population improvement and when I know

0:25.1

the competition and at the same time I see massive massive investments in genetic engineering

0:32.4

and biotechnology you know I think it's pretty likely that they're developing some form of human improvement.

0:42.4

You know, again, adding up all these pieces, very, very possible, and I would say likely that, that sort of, quote-unquote, super soldiers are being made.

0:51.6

Our entire thing to you, we're waiting for 11, 0,0000 at 5. Seatide. Outta, zero eyes. We're clear for takeoff. Clear for the airspace. Hi, for check two. I was going to. I'm trying to today. On my program, careful said, three, five, four, six. Sir, that's on. Next day. Next time. Sir, thanks for joining some of that. Sir, that's on. Next, a good 16, 13,000. I'm going to be some of that. All right. All right. Sir, thanks for joining me on the podcast. Excited for this conversation as we joke before we hit record here. I'm probably going to be terrified by the time we walk away from it. But it'll be interesting to glean your experience, your expertise, and just learn a little bit more about AI, the future of espionage,

1:28.6

and everything in between. Thanks so much for having me, and it will be my pleasure to

1:33.4

terrify you and the listeners today. Yeah, that's great. Well, first kick it off with the bio,

1:39.1

so Dr. Anthony Vichy, you were the first chief technology officer of the NGA, that's National Geospatial

1:44.4

intelligence agency, which I think that was one of the three-letter agencies that for quite a long

1:48.9

time were even acknowledged. But doing a lot of good work over there. You have served in Iraq,

1:54.4

Africa, and Asia. And you have a new book out, The Fourth Intelligence Revolution,

1:58.9

the future of espionage, and the battle to save America,

2:02.7

which, again, I kind of joke, it's terrifying and exciting all at the same time. So again,

2:08.6

thanks for joining me here today. Yeah, thanks for having me. Well, I would like to actually kind of kick it off.

2:14.0

Just a little bit about your background and maybe how you found, like, into the NGA your expertise the interest what was your path to that point just to start with

2:24.5

yeah like a lot of guys of my generation I was on a path and then 9-11 happened and I decided that I wanted to get into the game and serve

2:36.5

the country and was pretty upset with Al-Qaeda at that time.

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