#1443 Washington and Jefferson

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🗓️ 18 May 2021

⏱️ 61 minutes

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We are joined this week by the noted author and historian Lindsay M. Chervinsky. She and Clay S. Jenkinson have a lively and insightful discussion about the often strained relations between George Washington and Thomas Jefferson.

You can find Dr. Chervinsky's website and newsletter here: https://www.lindsaychervinsky.com/

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0:00.0	Good day, Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners, as always. Thank you so very much for listening.
0:08.1	Very excited for you to hear this week's podcast. We have Lindsey Chervinsky back and
0:15.2	off mic play you and I both agreed we need to get her on more often.
0:18.8	She's terrific. You know, she is young. She's very active in presidential history. She wrote that
0:26.4	terrific first book on the cabinet, the creation of the cabinet in the George Washington administration
0:33.1	and she's interested in Jefferson's administration both for the way it broke with the first two and
0:38.9	the way that it was characterized by continuity. Her book is titled the cabinet, George
0:45.1	Washington and the creation of an American institution. Actually, she was on the Jefferson
0:50.4	hour almost a year ago and we talked about her book, which was new at that time. She's also
0:55.4	a podcast with the center for presidential history called the past, the promise, the presidency
1:02.6	and she publishes a newsletter too called Imperfect Union. So we'll try to get some links up on
1:08.0	the Jefferson hour website. It's excellent. So this was a fun conversation. You know, I've been
1:13.2	working on a lecture on Jefferson and Washington, a troubled friendship and I knew this but you
1:19.8	sort of have to remind yourself of these things that when Washington died in December of 1799,
1:26.0	Jefferson was no longer his friend. I mean, period, not just a kind of parting of the ways but
1:33.4	a closing of the door and a couple of things had happened that brought that about but he finally
1:38.9	decided that Jefferson was not a reliable and virtuous figure. And so Jefferson did not attend
1:46.9	any of the funeral ceremonies in Congress and elsewhere for George Washington. He deliberately
1:53.1	delayed his departure from Monticello to the national capital to avoid being part of that set of
2:00.4	obsequies, those death ceremonies for America's great national hero and he was blamed for it.
2:08.0	And then he had kind of he did a pro forma visit to Mount Vernon to have tea with Martha Washington,
2:14.5	which is what you do in a Jane Austen novel. You make that appearance and you have tea and you say
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