This is Jocco Podcast number 144 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

And a few episodes back.

I referenced an interview that I had read with Colonel David Hackworth, the author of

About Face, my favorite book of all time, check.

And it was actually on podcast number 142.

And I referenced this interview and I said I would cover it in the future on a podcast.

So here we are.

144, the interview is from PBS.org.

They had a show called People's Century and inside that show, inside that series, there was one part of it.

I guess it was maybe an episode, it was called The Gorilla War.

So we're going to take a look at that also on top of that to expand on some of the topics.

I'm also going to take a look at a book called Vietnam Primer.

And it's a pretty cool book.

It's very tactical.

And when I say tactical, I'm not talking about, I'm talking actual tactical.

Like it shows where you should put your security elements while you're in Vietnam.

What's the best way to maneuver through the jungle in Vietnam?

It's very, very specific to that kind of jungle fighting.

But there are definitely some topics in it that I wanted to pull out.

And that is the book in about face when Hackworth is talking about working with SLA Marshall,

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