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Counselling Tutor

144 – Suicide Prevention for Counsellors

Counselling Tutor

Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes

Education, Courses

4.6 β€’ 636 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 14 March 2020

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Making an Ethical Referral - What Tutors Learn from Their Students In episode 144 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, Ken Kelly and Rory Lees-Oakes share their experience of when and how to make an ethical referral. 'Check-In with CPCAB' then explores the two-way learning in the counselling classroom. Finally, in 'Practice Matters', Rory interviews counsellor and tutor Emma Chapman about suicide prevention training for counsellors. Β * BACPAC practice management software for counsellors and psychotherapists is a sponsor of the Counselling Tutor Podcast. Get a 30-day free trial of BACPAC and a 30% discount by using the discount code CT2020 Making an Ethical Referral (starts at 2.30 mins) This issue is raised regularly in the Counselling Tutor Facebook group. Working within your own competence is key, and thus there will be times when making a referral is the ethical decision. Referrals could occur if: the issue that the client is bringing is not within your area of competence (e.g. if they need specialist counselling for addiction) your agency offers a limited number of sessions, and you know this amount will be insufficient to work safely with the client your modality is not a good match for the client's issue the client is experiencing difficulties that mirror your own - i.e. there is parallel process (e.g. if a client wishes to work on feelings related to their divorce, and you are currently struggling with this in your own life) you feel unsafe with the client (e.g. if lone working in private practice). It is always important to explore the possibility of referral with your supervisor, who can help you decide whether this is the right course of action. For example, might you be thinking of referring because you are lacking confidence in your ability to help a certain client? Discussion in supervision may reveal that you are in fact competent to work with the client. If you do decide with your supervisor that referral is the right course of action, it is important to plan ahead for this. Ideally, you will have explained to the client during contracting how referral in general is managed. Before telling the client about your specific plan to refer them, make sure: you know where you will refer to you are familiar with the referral pathways and processes (including any documentation needed) you have ascertained current waiting times for the new provider Do bear in mind that being referred may lead to the client experiencing difficult emotions: be ready to explain your decision and reasons clearly and calmly, and to help the client work through their reaction. It's vital too to ensure that any transfer of client information is in keeping with the Caldicott principles. Rory has written a handout about making an ethical referral. This is available here, or through Counselling Study Resource (CSR). Check-In with CPCAB: What Tutors Learn from Their Students (starts at 19.00 mins) People often think that it is only students who learn from tutors, but Kelly Budd (Head of Qualifications) at CPCAB (Counselling & Psychotherapy Central Awarding Body) explains that in fact the learning is very much two-way. Discussing this with Rory, Kelly lists various ways in which she has learned from her students, about this question - including becoming a better counsellor herself, developing her skills in working effectively with conflict, and sharpening her knowledge of theory, ethics and the law. Carl Rogers himself wrote extensively about promoting learning in others. Just as counsellors learn from their clients, so counselling tutors learn from their students. Counselling and psychotherapy training use a very different style from the didactic teaching that may characterise other subjects of study. You can find more information about CPCAB on its website. CPCAB is the UK's only awarding body run by counsellors for counsellors.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Counseling Tutor podcast.

0:04.4

The must listen to podcast for students of counselling and psychotherapy.

0:10.6

Here are your hosts, Rory Lee's Oaks and Ken Kelly.

0:15.6

Hello, I'm Rory and with me, as always, is Ken.

0:19.7

How you doing, Ken?

0:20.4

Exceptionally well, right back at you. How are you today, Rory? I'm very good, but I'm aory and with me as always is Ken. How are you doing Ken? Exceptionally well. Right back at you.

0:22.3

How are you today, Rory? I'm very good, but I'm a bit wind-swept. It's very windy here in the UK

0:27.4

and every time I go out of the door, I get a free blow dry off my hair. It's that time of year, isn't it?

0:34.8

Where the storms hit the United Kingdom as we're making this live.

0:37.9

You've tuned in to the counselling tutor podcast.

0:40.3

Thanks for joining us.

0:41.4

This is episode 144.

0:43.9

We've got three amazing topics today around counselling and psychotherapy, the study thereof and the practice thereof.

0:50.7

And we're going to be starting with our first topic which is making an ethical referral.

0:55.3

Then we'll move into our section called Check In with CPCAB where Rory you met with Kelly

1:00.9

Bud and you spoke about something that I think is so, so important and I know we talked together

1:06.1

and we've experienced this firsthand and it's what a tutor can learn from their students.

1:13.2

Yeah, it's really interesting.

1:14.8

Someone once said to me that you can only really learn your craft if you actually teach it to others.

1:20.6

And I tend to agree with that.

1:23.0

And Kelly outlines what learning tutors gain from their students.

1:27.9

And sometimes I think that students think it's just a one-way street.

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