Hello, welcome to part two of our chat with Simon Amstel. If you haven't listened to part one, you know what to do. I'm going to tell you, okay, go back to the feed and find part one.

Here it is, here's part two.

One of the things I've always felt about you.

What have you felt about me, Chris?

Well, I'll give you a list.

I actually, interestingly, you can try these on for size, Simon, you can tell me what you think.

I always feel like you're sort of trying to, with whatever you do, I think you've actually said this, so this is not an insight.

But like trying to find the truth in something, like sort of what's actually going on here.

But perhaps also the thing that has never occurred to me till now, but since you asked, is that I feel like perhaps I used to think of you as someone very cynical.

And now I feel like that you've completely changed and gone through that, and actually it's the opposite.

If we're talking about that, I'll ask a ceremony. You can't be cynical in that.

No, you can't. I actually wasn't ever cynical. I was actually really always after the truth, even when I was poking fun at pop stars and stuff.

What I've found cynical were TV shows where everyone was like pretending to be friends and just saying like complimentary things to each other.

I just found that really disgusting. I mean, I'm appreciating it now from you.

But on other shows, I would think this is just, I just think this is horrible.

And I felt like we were getting to the truth by saying the unsavable cheeky thing.

Actually, I think there's a continuity with the film, and it's always like what's going on with these people, what's really happening here, and what's wrong with me, what's really going, what's really underneath.

But do you think the difference is that you originally, when you were doing, when you were talking about poking fun at pop stars and talking about pop world, you were extremely young, by the way.

And I was being way more than I was at that age, so I'm not coming to you for reparations.

But like, is it, do you want putting yourself in it?

Whereas now, all this way down the line, you're actually completely putting your vulnerability and yourself in the center.

That's, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's definitely true.

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