Programming Throwdown Episode 144 Kotlin Co-Routines with March and Moskala. Take it away, Jason.

Hey, everybody. This is a super awesome episode. Actually, it's been a while since we did a language

on the show, despite the fact that that is our tagline. We've covered a ton of languages. We

definitely want to go back and do, for example, C++, that episode is something like 12 years old now.

But we've been on a really long journey talking about user experience, talking about, we talked about trees, tree data structures, a whole bunch of stuff.

I'm really excited to come back to languages. And for that,

we have Marchin Moskawa here who literally wrote the book on Kotlin. He's an author of a variety

of Kotlin books, including effective Kotlin and Kotlin co-routines, Android development with

Kotlin. And it's a realoutines, Android development with Kotlin.

And it's a real pleasure to have you on the show, Marchand. So thanks for coming.

Thanks for having me here.

Cool. So we definitely want to get into Kotlin and what our co-routines, all of that.

But let's start with a bit of background. What kind of, what's your path and what kind of got you to the point where you are you know writing these books and you're you know really diving headfirst

and a cotlin you know every day what kind of led you to that i mean my journey with cotlin itself

has started with frustrations from j. I like to talk about it

a few years ago because I've built a huge amount of frustration back then and Kotlin helped me

release it. Now I barely remember that because I'm using Kotlin for over seven years, I believe.

And I nearly forgot Java.

I'm still using a variety of different languages for different purposes.

But Java is one of the languages I'm trying to forget about.

Okay, so what made you write all that Java in the first place?

So did you go the college route or did you go straight into industry from high school?

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