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Hey guys, a couple weeks ago I had the incredible honor of sitting down with the former chief of staff of George Herbert Walker Bush.

Gene Becker is the author of The Man I Knew, a book about HW, as I like to informally refer to him as.

She's a lovely woman.

We had a great conversation. The book is well worth

to read. I've read it in Idaho last week. You won't be disappointed. You guys know that I'm a

big fan of HW and was an incredible honor to sit down and talk to her. So here's the show.

So let's let's fire it up. I think I've got to start this off, Gene, by telling you that

I like to tell people that I was George Herbert Walker Bush's H.W is easier for me to say. His biggest fan

before he was, I think, lionized in the last

several years by other presidents that quite possibly couldn't fill his shoes in a wide variety

of reasons. But I've been a big fan of this president, this man. I think if I could have voted for

him, I wasn't of age yet. If I could have, I would have. And I really wish I could have seen,

or at least I wish America could have seen a second term. So I don't want to go too gushy over the former president, but I'm a huge fan.

And I think my one of the things I was thinking about this morning is I was working out

and I was listening to some of your interviews.

The thing that used to that has been the question that I've always

wanted to ask somebody that's been really close to him is one of the most powerful and

significant figures in American and international history. How did he manage his family? Because his family seems so tight and they seem like

such good people. How did he manage his professional life and his personal life with his family?

Because I see that so oftentimes that it's not done right. And it seems from the outside that they did this right.

How did they do it?

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