Hi Stella we had your friend Graham Linahan on today I guess we could both call him a friend now

Yeah, yeah, I'm really I was really really glad to have him on and I didn't think he'd kind of come on because he kind of

likes kind of long analytical conversations but it was actually I thought it was a

very I thought was a nice conversation we had with them and we brought him on mostly because of his book.

He's got his book out, tough crowd. It's a lovely, it's a great read. I really recommend people getting it for Christmas

further because it's a very good way for people to give it to their

brothers or their uncles or their family members and it's a way into trans through a comedy writer and he

writes a lot about being a comedy writer and he writes a lot about being a comedy writer and you know the kind of the life he had and then he brings trans into it.

So it's not kind of a book about trans. Yeah. It becomes a book about trans. So it's a lovely read for people who might not be completely absorbed in the issue. But it was a good conversation I thought we had with

Graham. He's a fascinating character. Yeah. You've known him for many years. When did

you guys meet? Oh we don't know each other for many years since 2018. We knew

each other. He got into gender the very same year as I got into gender and like I say

weirdly enough I is my mother knows his mother that's very Irish and I know his sister and stuff. But yeah, we became friends. I suppose we're both Irish and we're both from Dublin and

There was kind of a kinship almost immediately with the two of us.

And yeah, yeah, we've become friends, you know, there's no doubt about it.

Yeah, I'm very fond of them actually. Yeah, he's very honest. He speaks with a real candor and like an

enthusiasm and a kind of a truthfulness and that's something I really appreciated about our conversation. And I was really interesting to hear like all the kind of twists and turns and of course he's

taken a huge personal like a lot of personal criticism and I mean he was telling us that he's had something like 75

hit pieces written about him just in pink news alone so you know I really admire

his willingness to speak about something he feels very passionate about that he thinks is telling the truth and doing so at a great personal cost, you know, it's really a big deal.

Could I say something about that because I got to know him, like he was so huge in 2018,

he hadn't yet been cancelled, you know, the cancellation was coming.

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