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People I (Mostly) Admire

144. Feeling Sound and Hearing Color

People I (Mostly) Admire

Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Society & Culture

4.61.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 November 2024

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

David Eagleman is a Stanford neuroscientist, C.E.O., television host, and founder of the Possibilianism movement. He and Steve talk about how wrists can substitute for ears, why we dream, and what Fisher-Price magnets have to do with neuroscience.

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0:00.0

I love podcast guests who changed the way I think about some important aspect of the world.

0:10.0

A great example is my guest today, David Eagleman. He's a Stanford neuroscientist whose work on brain plasticity has completely transformed my understanding of the human brain in its possibilities.

0:24.1

The key thing about the human brain is it's about three pounds. It's locked in silence and darkness.

0:29.2

It has no idea where the information is coming from because everything is just electrical spikes and also chemical releases as a result of those spikes. And so what you have in

0:39.8

there is this giant symphony of electrical activity going on. And its job is to create a model

0:46.1

of the outside world. Welcome to people I mostly admire with Steve Levitt.

0:56.2

According to Eagleman, the brain is constantly trying to predict the world around it.

1:00.9

But, of course, the world is unpredictable and surprising,

1:03.9

so the brain is constantly updating its model.

1:07.1

The capacity of our brains to be ever-changing is usually referred to as plasticity, but

1:12.1

Eagleman offers another term, live wire.

1:15.1

That's where conversation begins.

1:23.1

Plasticity is the term used in the field because the great neuroscientist or psychologist actually, William James,

1:30.9

coined the term because he was impressed with the way that plastic gets manufactured,

1:35.0

where you mold it into a shape and it holds onto that shape. And he thought, that's kind of like what the brain does.

1:40.4

The great trick that Mother Nature figured out was to drop us into the world half-baked.

1:46.6

If you look at the way an alligator drops into the world, it essentially is pre-programmed. It eats,

1:52.2

mates, sleeps, does whatever it's doing. But we spent our first several years absorbing the world

1:57.7

around us, based on our neighborhood, in our moment and time, and our neighborhood and our moment in time and our culture

2:01.2

and our friends and our universities. We absorb all of that such that we can then springboard

2:07.4

off of that and create our own things. There are many things that are essentially pre-programmed in

2:13.1

us, but we are incredibly flexible. And that is the key about live wiring.

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