Hi everyone, we are very aware that we normally give you our episodes of Outrage and Optimism

on a Thursday, but this week, events have been moving extremely quickly in Ukraine and

Paul Cristiano and myself had an opportunity to get together and talk about what's happening

at the weekend.

So, therefore, this is an earlier release, but we'll be back as usual next week with our

Thursday release.

Here's the episode.

Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism, I'm Tom Rificaneck, I'm Cristiana Piotis,

and I'm Paul Dickinson.

This week, we dig into the unfolding events in Ukraine and ask the questions about what

these terrible events will mean for the future of climate action.

Thanks for being here.

So, listeners, we are spending a second week looking at what is unfolding in Ukraine and

asking ourselves questions about the broader implications.

Regular listeners will know that last week we had a fantastic couple of conversations,

one with David Miliband, one with William Hague, where we delved into some of these underlying

issues, but the events are now moving so quickly, we felt it merited revisiting it.

So, it's just a three of us today and we're going to have a conversation about what's

happening, what we think should happen, and what all of us can do at this critical moment

to try to take us on the right path.

The evasion of Ukraine has obviously led to a significant amount of anxiety about the

dependence on Russian energy, particularly in Europe, that is, of course, apart from

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