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So money episode 1439, all things fire. Financial independence retire early with Nick Wollney, senior editor at NextAdvisor.

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The people who are the mouthpieces of the fire movement, sometimes they veers into influencer territory where you've got people that are really flashy.

They're driving their Lamborghini off into the sunset and they're like, look at my financial freedom.

And it's, it's so kind of creates it.

Yeah, it's interesting.

I know, yeah, those people are usually ironically like drowning.

Welcome to So Money. Everybody. I'm Farneesh Tarabi. We are visiting the fire movement today, a topic that we have touched on many times throughout the years on So Money.

But today, bringing on Nick Wollney, who is senior editor of the financial independence vertical at NextAdvisor.

The fire movement, which stands for financial independence retire early, gets its roots in the early 1990s and it has evolved very interestingly over the decades.

Nick has covered this territory with a magnifying glass interviewing fire followers, fire devotees. He's here to give us a 101 on this movement, the fire number, how to calculate your fire number and the future of fire.

A little bit more about Nick. At NextAdvisor, he manages and publishes content that empowers readers to design their futures, implement entrepreneurial personal finance strategies and live more intentional lives.

He has previously contributed to fast company, business insider, fortune, out magazine, entrepreneur, and he was named a 40 under 40 by the Houston business journal in 2021. Here's Nick Wollney.

Nick Wollney, welcome to So Money.

Thanks for having me. It's great to be here.

It's great to know you. You are a colleague of ours at NextAdvisor, partner site owned by red ventures as well.

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