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🗓️ 3 June 2019
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Last week we published the first half of the session with Rhonda, who was struggling with severe performance anxiety about her work as the new host of the Feeling Good Podcast host. We did the initial T = Testing, which indicated many intense negative feelings, as well as E = Empathy phase of TEAM therapy session.
This week, we include the conclusion of the session, with A = Paradoxical Agenda Setting and M = Methods, plus final T = Testing to see how effective, or ineffective the session was.
As a reminder of the first podcast, plus the work done on this podcast, you can review Rhonda's Daily Mood Log here.
When you listen, you will see that the changes Rhonda experienced were amazing,. But were these changes real? It almost seem too easy, and too fast, especially for a problem that started in childhood and persisted right up to the present moment. Was the session just a publicity stunt, perhaps, or some kind of superficial quick fix? David asks Rhonda about this, as well as this question: 'If the changes were real, what caused the changes?
David and Rhonda used many TEAM-CBT techniques they during the session, including these:
Finally, if the changes were real, will they last? Or will Rhonda just slip back into more performance anxiety and self-doubt?
You can click on this link if you’d like to review the evolution of Rhonda’s Daily Mood Log during the session, and see her ratings on the Brief Mood Survey before and after the session at this link. You can also review her ratings of David on the Empathy and Helpfulness scales at the end of the session. You can also review her interesting comments on what she liked the least, and what she liked the most about her session with David.
I want to thank Rhonda, my esteemed colleague, friend, and wonderful podcast host, for giving all of this incredible gift of her humanness.
And I, Rhonda, want to thank the most marvelous, compassionate and incredible David Burns, for the gift of healing and facilitating me experiencing enlightenment and peace from these difficult feelings and negative thoughts that were devastating me. I feel so much gratitude, for all of our work together, for you trusting me enough to invite me to be the host of these podcasts, and for the gift of your friendship. Words can't express the full depth of my love for you and for everything you have given me both personally and professionally!
Did you like the personal work we did? Was it helpful for you personally? Rhonda took a chance and was courageous to share intensely personal experience with you. Let us know if you liked this!
If you are a therapist, or an interested patient, let us know if this was it a good learning experience. Would you like to hear more podcasts with live personal work?
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David and Rhonda
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0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast, where you can learn powerful techniques to change the way you feel. |
0:16.3 | I am your host, Rhonda Borovsky, and joining me here in the Murrieta studio is Dr. David Burns. |
0:22.6 | Dr. David Burns is a pioneer in the development of cognitive behavioral therapy and the creator of the new team therapy. |
0:29.6 | He is the author of Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States and has been translated into over 30 languages. David is currently |
0:39.0 | an emeritus adjunct professor of clinical psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine. |
0:45.1 | Hello, Rhonda. Hello, David, and welcome everyone to podcast episode number 143. This is part |
0:52.6 | two in the personal work that I am doing with David. |
0:56.5 | Great. And just to summarize, at the end of empathy, you always ask the patient, |
1:02.5 | what grade am I getting on empathy? Well, I would definitely give you an A. I feel very understood |
1:09.0 | and the connection between the two of us. And I think it's important to ask for an A. I feel very understood and a connection between the two of us. |
1:12.0 | And I think it's important to ask for an A. It's embarrassing. It's kind of hard. But it does give the patient the chance to say, oh, it's a B plus or something. And then you say, what's the part that I'm missing? And then the patient will tell you. |
1:26.5 | When I was supervising one of the Stanford psychiatric residence last week here in the same |
1:31.3 | room. |
1:32.6 | Well, actually, we were out sitting in the back deck, but what he's been saying to his |
1:37.4 | patients is, how am I doing? |
1:39.6 | And then they say, oh, fine. |
1:40.6 | And then he goes on. |
1:42.3 | Now, he does have excellent empathy skills, and I think he's getting a lot of perfect scores on the empathy scale. |
1:49.5 | But that, how am I doing, is not a very good question because what's the person going to say, |
1:54.4 | you suck or something? |
1:55.9 | You know, but the patient will always say it's fine, even if it's not. |
2:00.2 | But if you ask for a grade, they can give you |
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