What's up, everybody?

This is Cortland from Indiehackers.com, and you're listening to the Indiehackers podcast.

On this show, I talked to the founders of profitable internet businesses, and I try to get a sense of what it's like to be in their shoes.

How do they get to where they are today?

How did they make decisions, both of their companies and in their personal lives, and what exactly makes their businesses tick? And the goal here, as always, is so that the rest of us can learn from their examples and go on to build our own profitable internet businesses. Today, I'm talking to Dmitri Dragulov. Dmitri, welcome to the show. Thanks. Good to be here. Thanks for having me.

Good to have you. You are the founder of Just Reachout.io. It's a company that you run together

with your wife and co-founder of Corey. And together, the two of you have bootstrapped it to over

$30,000 a month in revenue while also only working about 25 hours a week. So you start work at 9 a.m.

And you're done by 2 p.m. only on weekdays. Tell me about that schedule. How do you make that work?

So, I mean, for the last five years, I've been kind of pushing on this whole thing of like,

you know, you only live your life once and you can spend your long, your hours every day to push yourself to do the best you can, right?

But essentially it comes down to like my grandfather died a couple of years ago and I asked him, you know, what do you remember from your life?

What do you, what comes to mind, you know? And, you know, years before his death, you know, he just kept going back to all the times he spent with your family, your loved ones. And wasn't your career. And I mean, he hasn't had anything ridiculous. Like, no crazy acquisitions or whatever. But he hasn't, he had him a decent career. He grew up in Soviet Union. He was an

engineer and, you know, like he's, he's done well for himself, but he wasn't anything insane.

And as I was coming, kind of coming up, I was trying to figure out, like, what do I want to do

with life? Like, I have this online business. I can just go balls to the wall. You know, I can raise funding. I can just be that guy that's always on working, chat with people. How many times you work at a week? I estimate 60 hours a week. Somebody's 50 hours a week. Oh, I put in 70 hours a week. What are you talking about?

And I'm like, do I want to be that guy and, you know, have, you know, one million MRR or maybe 600,000

MRI, I don't know, whatever it is? Or do I want to focus on spending time with my kids who are three and five now?

And then when they don't want to spend time with me when they're in their teenage years,

maybe I do more work.

Maybe I start working crazy hours to scale businesses.

And now I just need a nice cushy business.

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