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One of the greatest living novelists and Tyler has just written so many fantastic books

and I think we both felt a bit dizzy at the prospect of being able to chat to her.

At one time she just didn't do any interview, she just didn't do them.

She is now nearly 80 and she was available to us because she did have a new novel out.

This particular one was the redhead by the side of the road, which we both enjoyed.

And I think we were.

We were just a little more than a bit in awe of this woman, weren't we?

We were very much in awe and we did that terrible thing at the beginning as well

where we had as many people was sympathised during the pandemic, some technical issues.

So by the time we got to her, I think we both felt so amateur in her presence.

But she was blissful and wonderful and the thing that I remember from this interview

and I hope that you really enjoy listening to again is that every single thing she talked about

from her writing to politics to the dark arts of the domestic

had an element of wisdom and the profound about it, but very, very gently delivered.

So bear with Jane and I, rabbating on at the beginning.

This is one of our favourite interviews ever with the mighty, mighty antiler.

Sam, how could you think so little of us?

That was effectively the parenting equivalent of have you gone to the Lou?

Have you, it'll be a long, it'll be a long drive up to Durham?

Have you been to the Lou?

How many seconds has it taken you to reference the news of the week?

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