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Church History Matters

141 - D&C 85-86 CFM - The Apostasy Isn’t All You Think - E32 August 4-10

Church History Matters

Scripture Central

Religion & Spirituality:christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

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🗓️ 29 July 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Welcome to Church History Matters Come Follow Me Edition where we are systematically diving into every section of the Doctrine and Covenants throughout the year 2025! In this episode Scott and Casey cover Doctrine & Covenants 85-86, while covering the context, content, controversies, and consequences of this important history.

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Now this is a prophecy that has become so misinterpreted.

0:05.2

Yeah, this sounds amazing, right?

0:07.6

Like, it's definitely cinematic.

0:10.0

I really find it fascinating because of how the Lord talks about apostasy and restoration,

0:15.6

kind of different than our typical cultural narrative about this case.

0:19.3

It's Jesus Christ himself, testifying that there was an apostasy

0:23.1

and then giving some explanations as to what he means by that,

0:27.5

what the apostasy was.

0:29.5

Why would God allow this to happen?

0:31.9

We usually simplify the apostasy by saying all the apostles were killed

0:35.5

and the priesthood was taken from the earth and the church was gone.

0:38.5

But this is leaving little hints that, no, it wasn't. The lineage of the priesthood was still here.

0:45.2

His work never paused during what we call the apostasy. It continued in stride just in some different ways

0:51.9

than we're used to talking about. It gets such a good insight into

0:56.1

the Lord's character to understand that he never abandoned his people ever. Interesting.

1:02.1

Interesting stuff there. Hello, Casey. Hello, Scott. Good to see you. Good to see you. We are

1:07.4

back. And this week we're covering sections 85 through 87 we got an excerpt from a letter

1:13.5

joseph Smith translation insight about the parable of the wheat and the tears which is super insightful

1:19.2

and third we have a prophecy maybe one of the clearest prophecies ever made by joseph Smith

1:25.5

so an exciting week this week to study. Yeah. And even though each one of

1:29.7

these sections is relatively short, there's a lot to discuss. So I think the way we're going to

1:35.5

break it down is probably do section 85 and section 86 together. And then section 87 is a whole

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