This is an awesome podcast to the Jeff, there's a lot of whiskey, Jeff, Makalino,

Jeff Makalino, Makalino, Makalino, podcast.

Hey, hey everybody. Welcome to the show. Thank you for joining me. Today's episode is,

well, don't I say they're all great. This one's no different. It's great. This was an

exciting one because it's definitely out of the realm of expertise that I think

I've ever had on and as I go further and further down the podcast road,

harder and harder to find someone in a field or an area of expertise that I haven't spoken to before.

So that's fun and exciting for me. It's with Robert Hansen today's episode and he's well known

around the hacking circles as our snake. So we talk obviously about some of what he does.

We kicked things off with a story from him recently being in the White House. He was called in to discuss things.

So, you know, he also talks about going into the Pentagon. So it's a pretty, pretty legit dude who knows what he is doing.

We talk about a wide variety of things and I know you'll enjoy it.

Yeah, and I recorded this episode when I was sober, but you may not guess it because I think this was when I had the stretch of

a fun three day. I being busy for three days was so great. This is Monday. I had to get up at 4 a.m.

on two, maybe three hours sleep to go do background acting in Tampa. Then that was done. I was home by 11.

And then I had a podcast at one 15. I had my I had one drink during that podcast and then I took a nap for maybe an hour and a half.

And then I had a 915 podcast interview that night. I drank obviously with the that little nap.

I ended up drinking quite late into the night and woke up just a little bit before this podcast with Robert, which happened at noon on a Tuesday.

So I'm fairly certain I was still drinking water actually when when I when we had this chat. So I also would say my blood alcohol level was probably still quite high.

So there's there's my excuse, but I am I am I've got to say it on the podcast so that it comes to fruition because if you set hard rules for yourself, you know, if you publicize on my feel like they're easier done.

So I'm today's day one of me not drinking and granted it's been less than 12 hours, but today one of me not drinking for a month minus one day.

I have something planned and I'm going to drink. It's a podcast.

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