Hey there, friends, and welcome to episode 140 of just the zoo of us. This week, I am joined by a conservationist and podcaster who is here to wallow in the delightful glory of the humble pangolin. We discuss how the pangolin's unique adaptations tip the scales in favor of this walking pine cone and what challenges they face in the world today.

So curl up into a nice, cozy little ball and enjoy.

Just the Zoo of Us presents Pangolins with Jack Baker.

Thank you. The The Hey everybody, it's Ellen Weatherford.

This is just the Zoo of Us, your favorite animal review podcast.

And this week I'm joined by a friend who may not be a new friend to some of you.

I'm sure there's quite a bit of overlap between our friends.

This is Jack Baker.

Say hi, Jack.

Hello, everyone.

Jack is here to talk about, okay, I'm gonna say it, one of my all-time favorite animals.

Not a joke.

It's almost like I've been saving it because I just like really wanted to make sure this animal was getting done justice.

And like I almost didn't want to take it on myself because I was like, it's so sacred to me.

This is the pangolin, which is perfect for you because the pangolin is the namesake of your podcast.

Yes, yes, it is. So not to add any pressure then to me at all,

at all. I'm just sat here like faces going red. Oh no. Oh, no, no, no. No. So yes, I am Jack. To anyone

who doesn't know me, hello, and to anyone who does know me, hello. And I'm the host of

Pangolin, the Conservation Podcast,

which started out as a podcast dedicated to all things Pangolin, and then as it developed,

I realized Panglins to me represent all of the kind of underappreciated, underdog conservation stories out there,

and so I kind of expanded from there, and we've gone on to talk about all sorts of

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