Programming Throwdown, Episode 140, Developer Burnout and Infrastructure as Code with Ronak Ramon. Take it away, Patrick.

Welcome, everybody. Another exciting episode today. We're very excited with our guest here,

Ronak, talking about two topics now. I watch some reality TV. I know I'm shameful. You're not supposed to say

that. And I watch that Top Chef and they always fuss, don't try to do two dishes because you're going to screw one of them up. Hopefully that won't be us today. We're going to do two topics that are going to be pretty interesting. I'm excited. The first one, super, super relevant to everyone, developer burnout, but then also infrastructure is code, how they relate, what it is. I think this is going to be pretty awesome. Jampack episode. Welcome to the show, Ronak. Hey, guys. Thank you for having me.

I'm excited to be here talking about topics that are interesting to me. And also, thank you,

Patrick, for the cooking reference. I love cooking shows. Oh, okay. Well, okay, we can't get sidetriled there. The forming chocolate sculptures one. I forgot what it was called, but that was my favorite. The like French comp. Yes, yes. It was the French and the amazing things they could do with the chocolate. Absolutely amazing. Oh, dear. Okay, yeah, we're definitely going to get sidetracked and I'm going to be hungry. It's almost lunchtime here. So, I'm distracted now.

Ronak is developer relations manager at Kuali. And we traditionally start out the show of Ronak by just sort of talking about how people got into tech and their kind of story, how they ended up where they are. So why don't you talk maybe, like, do you remember what your first computer was or

your first experience and sort of, where did you build that passion?

First of all, I want to say again, thank you for having me.

I mean, think about the extreme privilege that I'm enjoying.

I'm talking about something I care about. And you guys are

asking me these questions and you want to listen. I think this is all the human experience is about,

like, wanting to be heard and listen. Yeah, I totally remember what got me into technology. And I'm

hoping somebody on listening to this podcast will remember it. But my old man

was an engineer and they were learning this cool thing called Fortran back in his days in the

70s. And I mean, it was like it was cutting edge. And to train train the engineers they had them um and i think i found

this on ebay still uh they're like green and white manuals it's like a really skinny uh you know

flexible manual and uh it's striped green and white in the front and it's learning for trend

and it basically looked like a math book on the inside.

And I was seven years old where I pulled these down off the, I'm not kidding, I pulled

in off that because I was so bored.

I was like looking for more to read and I read it and it looked just like math problems.

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