Welcome to Pick Me Up, I'm Scared, the podcast.

Hi, I'm your host, Kenna.

And I'm your co-host, Madeline.

Welcome to Pick Me Up, I'm Scared, the podcast.

So today, we're doing another Kenna podcast.

This is Kenna's second time where she's doing all the research and she will be presenting to me.

Yeah, well, we'll see, we'll see how it goes, you know.

I'm excited.

I'm excited.

This is a little bit different than our other ones.

I thought I would like, you know, maybe bring some dreaminess, imagination, you know, some sci-fi into it.

I like that. I love all that. That all sounds very you to me and I'm on board. I can't wait for what's to come.

All right. So, Madeline, tell me what you think the definition of utopia is.

Oh, okay. So I imagine that a utopia is like a goal on the horizon. So the definition is probably something about being like an idyllic community

structure of like imagined potential, something along the lines of that that's not

actually concretely achieved? Yes, you know, you, I think you've got it because basically,

you know, the Wikipedia definition is, quote, an imaginary community or society that possesses highly desirable or

nearly perfect qualities for its citizens. So basically every, like, you know, definition of

utopia, it's kind of like a more, it's like a little bit amorphous but generally it has two things going on one

is that it is imaginary and it is not achieved yet and two is that it is a you know vision of a better future

um you know so to me it's basically, you know, a utopia doesn't exist,

but it is an ideal place to live compared to the time, place, and culture in which we currently live,

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