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and Hello and welcome to Politics Theory Other. My name is Alex Doherty and today I'm joined by

Adam Tuse to discuss World War II, Nazi ideology, the German war economy and the Holocaust.

You can listen to the podcast on SoundCloud, iTunes and ACAST, and you can follow on Facebook and Twitter at Poll Theory

Other. If you like the podcast, please do consider rating or reviewing it on iTunes. Adam Too's is

Professor of History and the Director of the European Institute at Columbia University. He's the

author of The Deluge, The Great War and the Remaking of Global Order,

and in August, Penguin are publishing his new book,

Crashed How a Decade of Financial Crisis Changed the World,

and I'll be chatting with Adam about that book later in the year.

Today I spoke to Adam about his earlier book, Wages of Destruction,

The Making and Breaking of the Nazi

Economy. So Adam, in wages of destruction, one of the things that you write is that the war in

the West was no less an ideological war than the war for Leibbons Ram in the East. Obviously,

that's a claim that on the face of it will sound very counterintuitive to people,

considering that the East was the centre of the Holocaust, the General Plan Ost and the Hunger Plan,

which would have facilitated the German colonisation of Eastern Europe and much of the Soviet Union.

And of course, whilst British and American soldiers were sometimes quite poorly treated by the Germans,

they weren't subject to starvation and mass murder, as was the case with the captured soldiers of the Red Army.

Could you explain what you were getting at here by characterising the war in the West as being an ideological war?

Well, what I meant to say in stressing that the war in the West was no less an ideological war

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