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Welcome back to the Lincoln Project. I'm your host, Reed Gailan. Today, I'm joined by Dr.

Jennifer Maccia, historian of American political rhetoric and a professor in the Department of

Communications at the Texas A&M University. I'm just teasing. I'm just teasing as a long time long

horn. Jen is a contributing editor to Zokolo Public Square and her writings have also appeared in a

wide array of outlets, including the Washington Post, USA Today and the conversation.

She has also published three books on American political discourse, especially as it relates to

citizenship, democracy and the presidency. Her latest book is Demogog for President, the rhetorical

genius of Donald Trump, available wherever fine books are sold. Today, she's coming to us from

college station Texas. And as a Texas longhorn myself, I admittedly have a hard time saying

giggle. We're all about building coalitions here at the Lincoln Project. So Jen, welcome.

Thank you so much for having me on. My students would hiss if the university that you're from

were mentioned in class. In the way you even said it was more like Voldemort, right?

The school that shall not be named. So Jen, later this week on Thursday night, we'll see the first

public hearing of the House Select Committee on January 6th. Then we'll talk about that in a little

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