Hello and welcome to Outrage and Optimism. I'm Tom Rivick-Karnak.

I'm Cristiana Pigeris. And I'm Paul Dickinson.

This week we ask whether NetZero is really under threat in the UK. We speak to the brilliant

author and now activist Yuval Noah Harari and we have music from NIO. Thanks for being

here.

So again, so much going on in the world and we have to kind of cut through it and identify

the things that we want to talk to you about. And one thing we've picked up on this week

is the interesting story that's coming out of the UK. The group of MPs called the

NetZero scrutiny group, 19 Conservatives, is attempting to derail the government's

Green Agenda, basically by linking the cost of living crisis to the idea that that

is created by the NetZero target, it's driving up energy prices and they are doing what

they can to get the government to water down their NetZero target. This is causing concern

people, friends like Lawrence TuBiana, Fatty Birol, Jennifer Morgan have come out and

encouraged the UK just three months after COP26 not to water down its target. So there's

different ways of looking at this, but I think it's an interesting doorway into some

of the ways in which economics and politics are intersecting right now and climate. So

let's just kick off there. What have both of you heard about this? What's your impressions

of what's going on here? And are you worried?

Well, as the only non-Brit on this show, now you have the luxury today of actually asking

you some questions, the two breaths. There's only you don't expect us to know everything

is going on, but yes, go ahead. Go for it. So first, just so that we can have clarity

about what we're talking about, this conversation that you're alluding to Tom does not have

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