138. Trump vs Iran: The Road to Operation Epic Fury (Ep 1)
The Rest Is Classified
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4.4 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 16 March 2026
⏱️ 57 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | For exclusive interviews, bonus episodes, ad-free listening, early access to series, |
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| 0:13.1 | Join the Declassified Club at the rest is classified.com. What is the secret history of the conflict between Washington and Tehran? |
| 0:29.7 | And how did it give us Operation Epic Fury? |
| 0:33.8 | Well, welcome to the rest is classified. |
| 0:35.7 | I'm David McCloskey. |
| 0:36.7 | And I'm Gordon Carrera. |
| 0:38.0 | And Gordon, I guess we should say, just because this is a very fluid situation that we are recording this on March the 11th. |
| 0:46.2 | The U.S. is at the moment still at war with Iran and has been engaged in a war with Iran for a little over a week now. |
| 0:59.2 | Along with Israel, of course, the U.S. began striking Iran on the 28th of February, |
| 1:01.2 | killing Iran's supreme leader. |
| 1:07.0 | We did a live stream the next day to talk about events as they unfolded. |
| 1:13.6 | I did a little kind of mini episode with CNN's Clarissa Ward looking at some of the news that the CIA and Mossad might potentially be arming the Kurds. But I think Gordon, with the war |
| 1:20.6 | ongoing, we wanted to kind of step back and examine some of the secret history of how we got here in the first place. |
| 1:30.4 | That's right, because history is so important. |
| 1:33.0 | The rationale for why this war is taking place has been, it's fair to say, a bit all over the place. |
| 1:39.8 | Different motivations have been expressed. |
| 1:42.0 | But I think at the heart of them has been this |
| 1:44.6 | history of antagonism between particularly the US and Iran. So what is that history? How did we |
| 1:51.8 | get here? We thought we'd pull it together across two episodes because really a lot of that |
| 1:56.1 | history revolves the things we talk about and have talked about in terms of the secret world and the |
| 2:02.0 | world of clandestine operations and spies. |
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