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So, welcome to the RESTISPOLITICS question time with me, Rory Stewart.

And me, Alistair Campbell. Where do you want to start?

Well, let's just start on this because it develops a theme that we explored in the podcast yesterday, but I think it makes it a bit sharper.

It's from Roger Wade, given Kier's Starmer's recent interview where he categorically rules out the return to the European Union or single market.

Do you believe the Brexit issue is bigger than the Labour party, and it is time to support the Liberal Democrats at the next election?

And would you and Rory consider switching allegiances?

Well, you haven't come out for the Labour Party.

I don't, but I get very angry with the Liberal Democrats as well.

I don't feel that they're sort of really making...

And by the way, even though I think leaving the European Union was a total catastrophe for our country, I'm not saying either of them should go into the next election, saying let's rejoin.

I am saying that I think that they should be calling out the damage that it's doing and making clear that a new government has to fix the damage.

But you can't be open about how you're going to fix the damage unless you're open and honest about the scale of the damage.

And when you read as I did the other day, in fact, Chris Patton, I don't even saw Chris Patton on question time, but there was a clip that went viral of him just going through why it had been such a disaster.

But one factoid that sort of leapt out of me is when he said the poorest 20% in Poland are now better off than the poorest 20% in the UK.

That's very interesting. And that's partly weirdly because, I mean, with all the horrors of what that party has been doing in Poland, they've introduced something called the Family 500 Plus, which has been giving much more generous benefits to the poor.

This is Marewietski, the prime minister, who's a very weird figure. I mean, a lot of these people in the law and justice party are people who are sort of university professors and talk in this very academic language.

Marewietski edited a book on European Union law.

So you have this very sinister thing, which is a bit reminiscent of, well, I guess it's a point isn't that often these regimes are facilitated by smooth talking intellectuals despite their very kind of sinister underpinnings.

Sinister underpinnings, but the one good thing I suppose they've done is they've had a they've set up much, much more generous welfare payments. And that's one of the reasons why they're so quite popular.

Yeah, now the producer having told us that the main podcast was quite heavy. Let's try and keep this one light. You went straight back to one of the heavier subjects in yesterday's podcast.

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