# 137 Making Fun of History: Creating Serious Games w/ Ben Sawyer
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 22 July 2019
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Creating games that are both fun and educational takes a lot of work, but Digitalmill's Ben Sawyer has been doing it successfully for more than two decades. In this episode we speak with Ben about the art of creating serious games and his work on the American Revolution-based game "Revolutionary Choices."
Just to clarify: Yes, there are two Ben Sawyers on this episode. People have confused them before, which is how they met. But we promise you'll be able to tell them apart on this episode.
To find out more about Revolutionary Choices, check out the game's website: www.RevChoicesGame.org.
The Road to Now is part of the Osiris Podcast Network. This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.
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| 0:00.0 | Hi, I'm Richard Z. Rostafarian from Fear of a Craft Beer Planet, a podcast that talks a lot about the parallels between the beer industry and the music business. But really, we talk about whatever we want. The show is made up of four of us. Me, Richard the Rostafarian, the radio guy, Jay Rose, Ryan Egan, and Rob Forzic. |
| 0:22.5 | They're the beer guys. |
| 0:24.0 | They're the ones that teach me about craft beer, and I'm the one that gets the show on the air. |
| 0:28.3 | You can find us on all social media platforms at Fear of a Craft Beer Planet. |
| 0:43.4 | I'm Ben Sawyer, and this is The Road to Now. |
| 0:52.1 | You may have seen the episode title for this one and thought, did they just interview Ben Sawyer? |
| 0:57.3 | And the answer to that is complicated because, yes, we did just interview Ben Sawyer. And the answer to that is complicated because, yes, we did just interview Ben Sawyer, but it's a different Ben Sawyer. It's Ben Sawyer from Digimil. He's a game creator. |
| 1:04.7 | He creates serious games. These are basically games that you use to educate people. |
| 1:17.0 | And I've always figured that it was pretty difficult to balance education with making interesting games. |
| 1:22.2 | I only had skim the surface, and it turns out this is a really difficult task. |
| 1:28.1 | But Ben Sawyer, the other Ben Sawyer, that is, he's done a great job of doing this throughout his career, |
| 1:33.8 | and he's now applied his skills to creating a new history game called Revolutionary Choices. |
| 1:40.0 | The game is not quite out yet. It should be out soon, but he did send me a demo game, and I got to play it. |
| 1:44.7 | And it's pretty remarkable. It did exactly what it's supposed to do, and I won't spoil it, but you'll hear why the game itself did a really good job of kind of throwing me into the frustration |
| 1:50.9 | of trying to fight the American Revolution when you don't have supplies or soldiers or status |
| 1:57.3 | or anything like that. Overall, it was a great conversation, and I hope you guys enjoy it a lot. It was fun for me. I said, I'm going to sit down and play this revolutionary choices game, this demo, and I was like, I play it for like, you know, 30 minutes to get ready. And I think it's been a couple hours playing it. I had to stop to do the interview. It's really fun. And I think that it's aimed at school kids and I think |
| 2:19.0 | it's going to be a great thing. So definitely look out for it. As he says in the episode, |
| 2:23.0 | you can find out more at revchoicesgame.org. Anyway, it's been a good week. Friday night, |
| 2:28.7 | I did a reading at our local bookstore called the Bookshop here in East Nashville. And |
| 2:33.9 | the theme was America. |
| 2:35.8 | It's the thing they do there called Adult Storytime. |
| 2:39.3 | And Joelle Hur, who owns the shop, she invites three people to read for 15 minutes from one of their favorite books. |
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