Marshall and Saga here welcome back to the realignment.

The understood and exploited elements of politics that were right there in front of everyone,

but people either didn't see or they didn't want to do.

And in 94 he becomes Speaker of the House and he brings his style to the leadership of

the GOP rather than it remaining on the sidelines.

And he understood parts of politics.

He understood how the 70s and the 60s had created immense distrust in politics and he

used that against Democrats.

While Democrats talked about Nixon, he talked about congressional Democrats and said they

were a corrupt establishment and he understood how that argument would really resonate.

We have an amazing episode for you today.

We are joined by Professor Julian Zelliser, he's the author of Burning Down the House,

New Ginkrich, the Fall of a Speaker and the rise of the new Republican Party.

I actually read this book on, well listen to this book on Audible about a month ago because

I'm obsessed with the topic of how do ambitious politicians respond to a broken political

system.

So what happens when you have politicians who understand that there's an audience that

there are voters of people who think there's corruption, who think there are problems in

the country.

How do they take that situation and use their own political advantage?

And then what happens to the country when their political ambitions either are or aren't

aligned with what we're all trying to do here?

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