This is the church's first large-scale attempt to integrate spiritual and temporal governance

through a formal business structure. And it's not going to be the last. We don't see a big

difference between doing something spiritual and doing something temporal. What we can do now is

powerful, and that is undeniable. We strive to sacrifice to help others, but we also strive to be

independent. And that's wise counsel for all of us. The purpose of all of this is to enable the

church to stand independent, not be subject to anyone on earth in order to prepare for the

second coming of Jesus. I've had the wrong attitude about this the whole time.

Hello, Casey. Welcome back. We're back. And after that deep dive into the book of revelation,

we're kind of coming back down to earth to talk about some temporal concerns that the saints were

worried about in section 78 through 80. Seventy-eight, we got this revelation about what's called the United Firm, sometimes codename

the United Order.

We'll talk about that.

And then section 79 and 80 are two individuals.

We got Jared Carter and a guy named Stephen Burnett.

So let's get into it.

Tell us a little bit about where Section 78 is coming from.

Give us our first C, Casey.

A big part of the context to understand Section 78 is that you have to know that during this particular period of early church history,

the leaders of the church were constantly working to balance the needs of the two church centers,

ones in Ohio and Kirtland and one's in Missouri.

And this revelation directs Joseph Smith,

Sidney,

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