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So money episode 1363, how narrative intelligence can transform your money story,

with my guest, Christina Blackin, founder of The New Quote.

So money is like a hammer. The hammer in and of itself isn't bad. But you can use the hammer to murder someone, or you can use the hammer to build a birdhouse. So money is the same way. You can use money to do specific things to restructure a system. Or you can use it to pretty much perpetuate the status quo.

So money is like a hammer. The hammer in and of itself isn't bad. But you can use the hammer to murder someone, or you can use the hammer to build a birdhouse.

So money is the same way. You can use money to do specific things to restructure a system.

Pretty much perpetuate the status quo. And it's up to us to really think through what are the dominant narratives around infinite growth, which is not sustainable or consuming just to consume. And how can we change those stories to a different message and use money in a different way.

Welcome to so money, everybody. I'm Farnish Terrabi. We're talking about money stories today. The stories that we may have grown up with. The stories we continue to tell ourselves today. The stories.

The world tells us about money and how it makes us feel, how it makes us engage. The impact it has on our bottom lines. Are these stories healthy? How can we begin to rewrite them?

My guest today is the expert on all of this. Christina Blackin is a public speaker, performer, and founder of the new quo, which is a leadership development and inclusion consultancy.

She helps leaders create inclusive and organizational change through what she calls narrative intelligence. And she has helped 1,500 leaders at Fortune 500 companies and VC backed startups leverage the psychological power of story to transform behavior, build inclusive culture and communicate new ideas with deeper connection and influence.

How can we apply this to our personal lives? That's where our conversation begins. A little bit more about Christina. Her story begins with her family being part of the great migration from the south and landing in Utah, where she lived through her teenage years. She speaks openly on the podcast about being an outsider, religiously, politically, racially, and what it taught her about how powerful story can be for influencing how we treat one another.

Here we go. Here's Christina Blackin.

Christina Blackin. Welcome to so many. How are you? I'm doing good. It's what I like to hear. I like when people are doing good. I am so, I just want to begin by saying that I am so appreciative of the work that you are putting out in the world.

I just want to make that clean statement at the tip of the top because not a lot of people do what you do. And it's really foundational and it's really important and we're going to get into it.

We're talking about your work specifically around narrative intelligence narrative intelligence. Can you first share with us what you mean by that. We'll talk about the connections of narrative intelligence and the stories we tell ourselves around a lot of things but in particular because it's this podcast.

We're going to talk about money, but tell us about your understanding of narrative intelligence and why it is so important to you and everybody.

So I'll start off with how I discovered the term because I didn't even know the term existed until a couple of years ago.

And I was doing the strategy session with a friend where I was describing my work to him because I wanted some advice on how to just structure it differently and talk about it differently.

And so I was like, well, you know, I teach people how narratives affect their beliefs and behaviors and then I give them strategies to change how they're thinking, change what they're doing, change how they communicate.

And as we described it, he's like, you know, you're doing something called narrative intelligence. Have you heard of that. And I was like, do tell what is that term. It sounds sexy. It sounds interesting.

And as we got into it, I realized it was a term that was coined, I think in like the 1950s by AI researchers and essentially they were trying to figure out how do we get algorithms and machines to organize information in narrative form because the only thing on this planet that does that regularly are humans.

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