Thomas Jefferson Hour listeners, this is Clay Jenkinson,

sitting across here from my daughter,

Catherine Jenkinson and sitting near

the semi-permanent guest host of the Thomas Jefferson Hour,

Mr David Swenson.

David, I think I took a whooping today.

I so love it when someone points out your errors.

So we were talking about this upcoming cultural tour that I'm leading to Cuba on the 8th through the 17th of February, so 20.

I can't wait, Catherine, it's going to be so much fun.

And we're going to talk about the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of pigs and

we're going to talk about Jefferson's grandson-in-law Nicholas Trist who was there in the

1830s and we're going to talk about Ernest Hemingway who wrote, fished and wrote a lot of his later life work at Havana and in Cuba,

and we'll be going to a Hemingway site.

But we did talk about the Battle of San Juan Hill, and the sense I got was

that you're not entirely on board with the Roosevelt narrative of that.

No, not a bit in fact.

And although I am a great Roosevelt fan, of course.

Who would know?

Someone has to acknowledge his errors.

We can't just be bowing down at the feet of Roosevelt every time we talk about him.

Certainly not. And summarize what you regard as his errors.

Well, I think it's pretty presumptuous for Roosevelt to think that we have to have wars so that we don't fall into complacency and so that we have these sorts of military exercises and experience and that a great nation is a warring nation give me a break.

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