The more society goes away from God, the harder their hearts get.

You know, and that's also another mystery of theology.

God begins to give people over.

God begins to harden their hearts.

And it's almost like the worst things get for those people,

the more they begin to hate the ways of God.

They double down.

Welcome to the Alisa Childers Podcast.

It's a new year, and I have a not so new guest.

Someone who's been on with me before.

Mr. John Cooper, John.

So glad you joined me today.

Yes, it's great to be back with you.

Thanks so much for having me on.

Well, you're one of my most popular guests.

You've been on the podcast a couple times before.

People always say, I love when you bring John Cooper on the podcast.

So when I heard you had this new album coming out, of course, I told you this that my kids

and I have been listening to the couple of the early cuts we've been listening in our

car.

And yeah, we've been loving it.

And I want to talk to you about the message of some of this stuff because, well, you know,

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