It's time for episode 136 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay FM recorded Wednesday, May 11th, 2016.

Clockwise, four people, four technology topics, 30 minutes.

Welcome back to Clockwise where Hope Springs Eternal.

There's many meanings there.

There's springs and clocks, I think.

Dan Moran is my co-host.

I'm Jason Snell.

Hi, Dan.

Hey, Jason.

You know, you said May 11th there in the intro, and I thought to myself, oh, my God, is it May already?

A whole month.

Yeah, that clock just keeps going, I guess.

The clock keeps on ticking and the calendars pages keep on flying.

That's totally how it works.

This is clockwise where we talk about four technology topics that our guests bring to us.

And we do it in less than half an hour.

So we've got two great guests.

As usual, to my left, it's Shelley Brisbane.

Welcome back. Hello, thanks for having

me. And to my left, senior editor at the wirecutter and our former colleague over at Macworld,

Mr. Dan Frakes is here. Hi, Dan. Hi, how you doing? Welcome back to you as well.

Glad to be here. I should specify Shelley as my former coworker at Mac user. So it's all, it's old home week. It's, that's what's happening.

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