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The Jordan Harbinger Show

1357: Dr. William Li | Working with Your Body to Beat Disease Naturally

The Jordan Harbinger Show

Jordan Harbinger

Science, Education, Business

4.8 • 12.4K Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2026

⏱️ 92 minutes

🔗️ Recording | Apple Podcasts | RSS

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Summary

Stage four to stage zero is now possible. Dr. William Li, author of Eat to Beat Disease, explains how your body works to beat cancer and other anomalies.

Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1357

What We Discuss with Dr. William Li:

  • You probably have cancer right now — and that's normal. Your 40 trillion cells copy-paste daily, mistakes happen, and microscopic tumors form constantly. Health isn't the absence of disease, but your defenses catching those errors before they matter.
  • The "war on cancer" framing is a WWII hand-me-down — chemo traces back to leaked mustard gas. Contrarily, Dr. William Li believes we should stop napalming the body and raise its shields instead. Immunotherapy and custom cancer vaccines are now taking some patients from stage four to stage zero.
  • Your body runs five defenses: angiogenesis, stem cells, the microbiome, DNA repair, immunity. But more isn't necessarily better — for instance, too many blood vessels feed tumors and cause blindness. The body wants a Goldilocks amount, growing and pruning constantly. Disease is these systems slipping.
  • Before you inject that gray-market peptide: the biology may be real, but "not ready for prime time" means unknown dose, no oversight, and possible contamination. Dr. Li calls it Breaking Bad biology. One supplier's "mushrooms" tested as 90% dyed sawdust. Buyer beware.
  • The empowering part: food is information, not magic. Cruciferous vegetables deliver sulforaphane that unmasks tumor-suppressor genes; fiber feeds gut bacteria that dial down inflammation and even nudge your own GLP-1. Master the fundamentals — sleep, plants, gut — before chasing biohacks.
  • And much more...

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0:00.0

Coming up next on the Jordan Harbinger Show.

0:03.0

We've broken the glass ceiling on cancer.

0:05.0

What was impossible before, now is possible, turns how.

0:09.0

We're actually forming cancers in our bodies all the time.

0:13.0

But we are beginning now to see the end of cancer

0:17.0

with treatments that are actually able to take very advanced cancers and literally dry erase them.

0:23.6

We've all heard about people who had breast cancer, and they had surgery and chemo, radiation,

0:28.6

and they're getting to five years, and there's no cancer, and then year six or year eight,

0:33.6

boom, the cancer's back. The cancer had stem cells and the stem cells came back. So one of the

0:39.3

holy grails of cancer research is finding a drug, a treatment that could actually kill cancer

0:46.4

stem cells. That way, you'd get rid of everything and then the termites won't come back.

0:54.3

Welcome to the show.

0:55.5

I'm Jordan Harbinger.

0:56.7

On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills of the

0:59.6

world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can

1:03.6

use to impact your own life and those around you.

1:05.8

Our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker through long-form

1:09.4

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1:15.7

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1:20.2

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of our favorite episodes on topics like persuasion and negotiation, psychology and geopolitics, disinformation, China, North Korea, crime and cults, and more that'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do here on the show. Just visit jordanharbinger.com slash start, or search for us in your Spotify app to get started. Today on the show, we're talking with Dr. William Lee, physician, scientist, best-selling author,

1:44.9

and the guy who somehow found a way to make you probably have cancer in your body right now

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