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Sunday co-host writer and researcher Jessica Wyn. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the

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Now, before we get started today, Jess, you got stung by a stingray.

I mean, I don't even, I only know one very well-known instance of that happening and it was horrible, right? Steve Irwin. So this is

not that because you're alive and well. I'm alive and well. It was in my heel. So I stepped on the

guy and he rightfully so attacked me, I guess. I will say if i don't recommend it um it's really the most painful

thing and there's just yeah nothing you can do for hours like that venom it goes all over your

body and it's this like really intense pain and it's scary because i was surfing so you you just

fall in the water oh so you just like like collapsed. So he wasn't on the beach and you're just walking. He was in the water. You stepped on it. Yeah, I was out surfing and just, yeah, who know? I never saw it. But it's been so warm this year that there's, I've seen a lot of stingrays out. I definitely try to avoid them, but he got me and then you have to get out of the water, get your surfboard out of the water. The only thing you can really do is soak it in hot water, but you're on the beach. Right, so good luck finding hot water. The lifeguard was like, it'll take me about 45 minutes to bring boiling water. I said, well, that's not going to

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