Good Day Thomas Jefferson, our podcast listeners and first and always thank you for listening and this week you called the subject clay Clay. And I went, what, really? Suicide?

But it turned out to be very fascinating.

We got some terrific insight from President Jefferson

and talked about three specific cases that I find all of them fascinating.

I've been reading a new book called Krembrulae about Jefferson in France with James Hemings.

James Hemings was his slave, became one of the first French cooks in the history

of the United States. Jefferson had him trained by a French master in Paris during those years

and made a bargain with James Hemings and said that if he came

back and taught somebody else what he had learned that Jefferson would free him and

he did but we learned to our deep sadness that

and subsequently James Hemings committed suicide in Baltimore, Maryland.

And so that really sets off some kind of strange reflection and sadness about this whole story.

You know, all three of these instances...

Hamilton, Lewis, and James Hemings.

They all have a bit of mystery. and James Hemings.

They all have a bit of mystery around them that we could spend a great deal of time conversing

about, you know, not the least of which is Hamilton.

We didn't talk a lot about him in the show, but whether or not he not

he didn't talk a lot about him in the show, but whether or not he as you put it had a death wish

Just how that all worked. It's a strange thing, you know, I've said this before but but Freudians and I'm one of them

within limits say that you know most of what's going on in us goes on below the

radar of consciousness and so Hamilton's son Philip is cut down in a duel defending

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