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The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast

#134 Urinary Tract Infections Delirium and Voltaire

The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast

The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast

Health & Fitness, Medicine, Science, Higher Education, Education

4.83.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 January 2019

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

“Urinary tract infections” (UTIs) are overdiagnosed. Antibiotics are overprescribed. UTIs are inappropriately blamed for geriatric syndromes (eg delirium) despite little supporting evidence. Our guest, Tom Finucane MD, Emeritus Professor of Medicine at Johns Hopkins makes us question everything. Topics: How can we diagnose “UTI”? Who needs treatment? Do urinary tract symptoms matter? Does malodorous urine correlate with infection? Who’s at risk for pyelonephritis and sepsis? Don’t miss this paradigm changing episode. And stop using the term “urinary tract infection” unless it’s prefaced by air quotes!

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Credits

Written and produced by: Matthew Watto MD

Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, Paul Williams MD

Edited by: Matthew Watto MD

Guest: Tom Finucane MD, MACP

Time Stamps

  • 00:00 Disclaimer, intro and guest bio
  • 04:00 Guest one liner, book recommendation, career advice
  • 08:22 The “medical ignorome”
  • 13:40 ACP Internal Medicine Meeting 2019 details
  • 16:20 Case of malodorous urine; Urine is NOT sterile; Defining terms
  • 25:14 Stop saying UTI unless using air quotes
  • 28:34 What symptoms or history matters in evaluation for “UTI”? And can we predict who will become systemically ill?
  • 34:47 Voltaire and when treatment is warranted for “urinary tract infections”
  • 37:15 Delirium in an older adult with possible UTI, how to work it up, and who warrants antibiotics
  • 51:55 Take home points
  • 53:38 Outro

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:21.0

We're not going to talk about this.

0:37.0

Welcome back to the curbsiders, and Paul Stewart is not here tonight, but we had a great guest, and I think he's going to be really jealous that he didn't get to talk to Dr. Fannouken.

0:48.0

I certainly hope so.

0:50.0

Paul, before I get too far into things, why don't you tell them what it is that we do on this show?

0:55.0

Happy to, as always, Matt. We are the Internal Medicine Podcast that uses expert interviews to bring you clinical pearls and practice changing knowledge.

1:03.0

And then as per usual, we will talk to our guests upfront about what makes them them, what they do to decompress, what makes them a human being, and as always, you could skip ahead if there is no joy in your heart.

1:15.0

And if you choose to do so, just look at the timestamps in the show notes, and they'll guide you to the actual bulk of the interview.

1:21.0

On this episode, we're going to be talking with Dr. Fannouken about urinary tract infections, and I'm saying that with air quotes, which will be thoroughly explained as we go through the episode.

1:31.0

But we are going to get into does acute, uncomplicated cystitis ever actually need treatment?

1:37.0

What do you do with the delirious older adult patient with a geriatric syndrome that may or may not include fever?

1:46.0

Do all those patients really have a quote urinary tract infection?

1:52.0

And also, who really does benefit from antibiotics?

1:56.0

We try to get our best answers and go through the evidence about all of this.

2:00.0

And I think you're really going to love this episode with our guest, Dr. Thomas Fannouken.

2:05.0

He is an emeritus professor of medicine at John Hopkins.

2:09.0

He graduated from Harvard College and Emory University School of Medicine, then did a residency in primary care, internal medicine at George Washington University.

2:18.0

After five years at West Virginia University, he joined Hopkins and stayed for 31 years.

2:24.0

He's worked in Dominica, Mexico, and Uganda serve seven years on the American Bar Association's commission on legal problems of the elderly and shared the ethics committee at John Hopkins Bayview for 12 years.

2:38.0

A clinician educator in Hopkins bustling geriatrics division, Dr. Fannouken is called attention to drug over treatment of diabetes, dementia, stomach ache, UTI, delirium, insomnia, and more.

2:53.0

And to the overuse of feeding tubes and CPAP.

2:56.0

He has received a variety of teaching awards, much of his time with learners has focused on three main topics.

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