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The Road to Now

#134 The American Empire w/ Daniel Immerwahr

The Road to Now

Benjamin Sawyer

Society & Culture, History

4.8628 Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2019

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Is the United States an empire? US citizens have struggled with this question for a long time. Though our historical narrative traces our origins to the war for independence against the British Empire, we often forget that the US has presided over territories since the very beginning. Today about 4 million people in the territories of American Samoa, the Northern Marinara Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands are subject to the US government, yet cannot vote for President and have only symbolic representation in congress. At the same time, the US maintains a global network of about 800 military bases in 80 countries.

For these reasons and more, Daniel Immerwahr says the United States is definitely an empire. In this episode, Daniel explains how this happened, the ways that US citizens have debates their country's role in the world, and how a country born of an anti-imperialist revolution became the thing it professed (and still professes) to despise. He also shares some fascinating stories about how the US military helped make The Beatles, why some people claimed John McCain was not eligible to be President, and how citizens of the United States of America began referring to their country as simply "America."

Daniel Immerwahr is Associate Professor of History at Northwestern University, and author of the book How To Hide An Empire: A History of the Greater United States (Farrar, Straus & Giroux, 2019). You can follow him on twitter at @dimmerwahr.

How To Hide An Empire is available on audiobook from libro.fm. Click here and use promo code RTN at checkout to get this book and two more for just $15!

The Road to Now is part of the Osiris Podcast Network. This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Osiris.

0:01.0

Hey, what's up?

0:14.0

This is Mike Finoa, host of Amigos podcast here on the Osiris Network.

0:18.0

What is Amigos podcast?

0:19.0

Well, I am a stand-up comedian, writer for true TVs,

0:22.9

impractical jokers, and a music freak. So I invite my pals to come talk music, comedy,

0:29.4

and everything in between. So if you want to come hang, we'd love to have you. Thank you.

0:47.7

I'm Ben Sawyer, and this is the road to now.

0:52.4

This week's guest, I think, is a perfect guest for July 4th week.

0:56.7

His name is Dr. Daniel Emmervar. He's Associate Professor of History at Northwestern University. And he has written a book that is fantastic. It's called How to

1:02.6

Hide an Empire. A History of the Greater United States just came out this year. And this book

1:08.1

is one of the one of these books that really makes you think deeply and rethink

1:12.6

the way you understand our nation's past um for most of us when we grow up we get kind of the

1:18.7

highlight reel and of stories and parts of american history that we are understandably very happy

1:26.3

to have happened and very grateful for.

1:30.2

There are, however, alongside those, these, say, silences in the stories that we tell.

1:37.5

Silence is about how the country has not always lived up to its values.

1:43.5

I think for most of us, the one that we're most familiar with is the story of slavery,

1:47.8

which we've grappled with for a long time and I think unfortunately never really accepted and moved on with.

1:54.3

But there's this other kind of under the layers of all that,

1:57.8

there's this other story that really complicates our narrative.

2:01.3

And it has to do with our relationship to our overseas territories.

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