Hey everybody, we got a great one, you know, for a change.

And this time, this time, this time I mean it, because Norm Ornstein is back.

Those of you who are regular listeners know that Norm is the expert on Congress and no better

week to have him on than this week when the nutcase Republican House barrels ahead to a shutdown.

The last shutdown, which lasted over 35 days from December 18th, well into January 20th of 2019, was under an entirely Republican Congress and a Republican president and cost our treasury about $5 billion and hurt a whole bunch of people.

This time is just the Republican House.

We did it all ourselves.

Norm has studied Congress for 40-plus years

and paints a very scary picture of this group in the House

and the future that it envisions. You know, we're in a very

dangerous time now. We've had the illegitimate capture of the Supreme Court. And we discussed the

court too. And Norm like me has an especially dark view of Chief Justice John Roberts.

And with the court captured, we have a Congress that also does not represent the American

people.

The 49 Republican senators represent just 41% of the American people and the gerrymandering

that the Roberts Court has enabled has allowed Republicans

to win this narrow majority in the House. Their ultimate goal is to lock that in. And in

the future, when Norm says 75% of our population will be in 15 states.

Well, holy crap.

This is a great one, a scary one with a recurring member of the great Al Franken Pantheon of great guests,

maybe, I don't know, the second or third best of all Norm Ornstein.

But before I go to Norm, I want to say a word about

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