Hey, everyone is Jen.

And this is Lindsay.

And welcome back to the Corpus Delicti podcast.

Tonight we are wrapping up our cult series with two amazing guests.

And then, aren't y'all lucky?

Next episode is Dark Water. we're bringing her back listener choice

actually listeners choice i am so sorry listeners choice and then dark water you have to wait one more

episode and technically an off week as well so we will not be around next week but then we will

have our listener choice and then we promise it's

dark water time. So we've gotten a good response from announcing that. We're excited. Glad you

guys are excited. But what we're going to do tonight, this is the cults finale. As Jen said,

we have two special guests with us who have, I guess you would consider it a little bit of

background in this area

in different ways. And so we brought them on to kind of hash out some of what we've learned

and what we've talked about and get their insight to it. So first of all, we want to introduce

you guys to our good friend, Javier Leva. Javier, would you please tell us a little bit about yourself?

Hey, guys.

Thank you so much for inviting me.

My name is Javier, and I'm the host of Pretend.

It's a podcast about con artist, deception,

basically people pretending to be someone else.

And so I covered, I think the reason why you want me here

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