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Hello, Bernie.

How are you Joe?

Wonderful.

Pleasure to meet you.

It's exciting to have you here, man.

And it's obviously an exciting time for you.

You know, presidential campaign is up in full swing.

Do you get frustrated by the time constraints of the debates?

Absolutely. It's, You shouldn't even call them a debate. What they are is a, you know, a reality TV show in which you have to come up with a sound bite and all that stuff.

It is the meaning. It's the meaning to the candidates and it's the meaning to the

American people. You can't explain the complexity of health care in America in

45 seconds.

Nobody can.

But why is it still done that way?

Have you to try to, let's pull this thing.

Like, bring it right there.

You know, I think the DNC is in a difficult position. They have 20 plus candidates and they want to give everybody a fair shot, which is the right thing to do.

And then if you're going to have 10 candidates up on the stage, what do you do? But there

are all the ways that we've got to do it because the issues facing this country are so

enormous and in some cases so complicated nobody in the world can honestly

explain them in 45 seconds and then that what encourages people to do is to

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