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The Jordan Harbinger Show

1329: Psychic Detectives | Skeptical Sunday

The Jordan Harbinger Show

Jordan Harbinger

Science, Business, Education

4.8 β€’ 12.3K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 17 May 2026

⏱️ 61 minutes

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Summary

Psychics keep wedging themselves into police cases β€” and grieving families pay the price. Nick Pell explains the grift on Skeptical Sunday!

Welcome to Skeptical Sunday, a special edition of The Jordan Harbinger Show where Jordan and a guest break down a topic that you may have never thought about, open things up, and debunk common misconceptions. This time around, we’re joined by writer and researcher Nick Pell!

Full show notes and resources can be found here: jordanharbinger.com/1329

On This Week's Skeptical Sunday:

  • Psychic detective work traces back to 19th-century spiritualism, which surged after the Civil War and WWI as a grief-coping mechanism β€” part therapy, part pop religion, part proto-reality TV. The post-WWII pulp era rebranded it as "science," birthing the modern psychic detective archetype.
  • The genre's most-cited "successes" β€” Etta Smith in the Melanie Uribe case, Dorothy Allison on the John List murders, and Noreen Renier's many TV appearances β€” all collapse under scrutiny. Police never credited any of them with usable leads, and Allison reportedly tried to bribe cops to vouch for her.
  • Sylvia Browne is the cautionary tale that turns this from harmless grift into genuine harm. She told Amanda Berry's mother her daughter was dead in 2004 β€” Amanda was alive, held captive in Cleveland until 2013. Mom died never knowing. Browne botched the Shawn Hornbeck case too.
  • Four mechanisms explain every "psychic solved it" story: confirmation bias (remembering hits, forgetting misses), post-hoc reasoning (vague claims retrofitted to fit), emotional vulnerability of grieving families, and Barnum statements β€” deliberately vague phrases like "I see water" that let your brain fill in the blanks.
  • Real cases get cracked by forensic evidence, behavioral profiling, and community tip lines β€” the unsexy, methodical work that rarely makes headlines. Families seeking closure are better served by counseling and victim support than by false hope, and learning to spot the four tells above makes anyone a sharper media consumer.
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Welcome to Skepical Sunday. I'm your host, Jordan Harbinger. Today I'm here with Skeptical Sunday co-host writer and researcher Nick Pell. On the Jordan Harbinger show, a bunch of people just turned this episode off, by the way, Nick. You have that effect on people. They either come for Nick Pell or they leave because of Nick Pell. That's how this works now. You people who leave will soon be staying for me. You just don't know it yet. Challenge accepted. On the Jordan Harbinger show, we decode the stories, secrets, and skills are the world's most fascinating people and turn their wisdom into practical advice that you can use to impact your own life and those around you. And our mission is to help you become a better informed, more critical thinker. During the week, we have long-forms

0:58.2

conversations with a variety of amazing folks, from spies to CEOs, athletes, authors, thinkers,

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and performers. On Sundays, though, we do skeptical Sunday. We're a rotating guest co-host

1:07.8

and I break down a topic you may have never thought about and debunk common

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misconceptions about that topic. Topics like the lottery, reiki healing, diet pills, energy drinks,

1:16.8

internet porn, homeopathy, and more. And if you're new to the show or you want to tell

1:20.5

your friends about the show, I suggest our episode starter packs. These are collections of our

1:24.8

favorite episodes on persuasion, negotiation, psychology, disinformation,

1:29.0

junk science, crime and cults, and more. That'll help new listeners get a taste of everything we do

1:32.9

here on the show. Just visit jordanharbinger.com slash start or search for us in your Spotify app to get

1:39.1

started. Today on the show, a police detective sits in a dimly lit smoke-filled office researching the disappearance of a small girl. She's the picture of the type of girl the media gives extra attention to. Pretty, blonde, precocious, and worst of all, there are absolutely no leads. It's like she disappeared into thin air. The detective is at the end of his rope. He's tried everything he knows to get the case going, but to no avail. The parents are frantic. They're willing to do anything to get their child back, even if it means using decidedly unorthodox methods. So the parents start to demand that the police use a psychic. You may have seen this on the news, and if you're old enough, on the show Unsolved Mysteries, and like a lot of people, you've probably wondered to yourself if people really do this, and if it actually works. You may have reasoned that, hey, if they keep doing it, it's got to work sometimes, so much so that we're going to dig deep into the world of psychics today, not just any psychics, but the ones of the cops call in when they hit a dead end in a case.

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Does it ever work? And if not, why do they keep doing it? Here today to help me peer into the

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crystal ball is writer and researcher Nick Pell. Nick, have you ever been to a psychic?

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No, but someone made a shitload of calls to Miss Cleo from my house in high school.

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Yeah.

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