1328: Leaving Mormonism to Join Teal Swan’s Cult - Jared Dobson Pt. 1
Mormon Stories Podcast
Dr. John Dehlin
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🗓️ 1 July 2020
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
When someone loses their faith in Mormonism, there are several paths often followed. One is to become agnostic or atheist, and never to rejoin a religion again. One is to re-join a Christian church. One is to follow a more fundamentalist Mormon path (e.g. Denver Snuffer, Preppers, Julie Rowe). And one is to become susceptible to new age beliefs and other gurus or cult leaders. Today we will be talking about the last option.
Teal Swan (born Mary Teal Bosworth) is described on her web site as an American spiritual teacher, author, and social media personality. She was raised in Logan, UT, and as a teenager was connected to controversial Mormon therapist Barbara Snow, who was at the center of the Satanic Ritual Abuse panic in the 1990s and 2000s. After a very turbulent childhood, which involved self harm and suicidality, Teal pursued modeling for a time, and eventually began pursuing the path of becoming a spiritual guide.
Teal's teachings on how to manage mental health issues have often been described as unconventional and she has received criticism for how she attracts fans, with some critics nicknaming her "The Suicide Catalyst". At present she has 700,000 followers and has been covered by the BBC, and in several documentaries, including a recent documentary on Netflix.
Her history of work is highly controversial because it incorporates various super controversial and problematic ideologies and practices such as:
- The cultivation of repressed/recovered (false) memories.
- Claims of Satanic ritual abuse.
- Energy healing.
- Clairvoyance.
- Numerology.
- The Law of Attraction.
- A belief in a "Third Eye."
- The usage of crystals to "raise your vibration or frequency."
- A belief in multiple lives.
- A belief that she is an alien from another planet.
- A belief in spiritual projections/possessions.
- When dealing with suicidal clients, referring to suicide as "pushing the reset button" for a future life.
- Communal living.
Jared Dobson was raised LDS, served an LDS mission, got married and divorced, became suicidal, and started searching for answers in New Age Spirituality. He came across Teal Swan, and became a follower in her movement (a "Tealer") for 2 years. He ended up moving in with Teal and became a part of her communal family in Park City, Utah. They were romantically involved for 5-6 months, were set to have a child together, and as the relationship began to fray, Jared was kicked out of the commune and checked himself into a psychiatric ward (UNI at the University of Utah).
He has been recovering ever since.
This is Jared's story of his experiences with Teal Swan. This story also has important connections to other cult-like phenomena occurring in recent times, including the Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell/Julie Rowe/Prepper phenomena. It also is an insider's view into the emergence of a modern cult.
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| 0:00.0 | One, two, three. |
| 0:03.0 | Come, come, you saints, no toil nor labor fear. |
| 0:28.0 | But with joy, when you're with... |
| 0:34.0 | Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories Podcast. |
| 0:37.0 | I'm your host, John DeLin. It is May 8th, 2020, and I am very, very excited to bring to you today |
| 0:46.0 | what I think is a really, really important episode, very applicable to Mormonism, |
| 0:52.0 | the Foundings of Mormonism, and the modern times that we're living in in 2020. |
| 0:57.0 | I think this is relevant to the Chad Debell and Laurie Valestory, to Julie Row, to the Preppers, |
| 1:03.0 | to the emergence of modern cults, and to the post-Mormon experience of Mormonism not working out for you, |
| 1:12.0 | and then trying to figure out what to do with your life, and how sometimes people can take paths |
| 1:19.0 | leaving Mormonism and end up in a worse place than they were when they were within Mormonism. |
| 1:24.0 | So, there's a lot we're going to be covering today, and so let me just begin. |
| 1:31.0 | I'll just kind of read an intro. |
| 1:34.0 | When some of those are faith in Mormonism, there are several paths that they can follow. |
| 1:38.0 | One is to become an agnostic or atheist, and I think over 50% of a progressive and post-Mormons kind of go down that route. |
| 1:46.0 | One is to rejoin another, let's just say a mainstream, non-denominational Christian faith like South Mountain Church or K2. |
| 1:55.0 | We've talked about that path on Mormon stories. |
| 1:59.0 | Another one is to kind of go the more fundamentalist path to kind of follow early Mormonism or fundamentalist Mormonism. |
| 2:07.0 | I think the Denver Snuffer movement is something we've covered on Mormon stories, where you still believe in Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, |
| 2:13.0 | and have Mormon beliefs, but you're kind of becoming more conservative. |
| 2:18.0 | I think the Julie Row phenomenon and the proper movement has emerged out of that. |
| 2:23.0 | So that's a path, and then one path is to become vulnerable or susceptible or a believer in new age beliefs, |
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